since china and russia went to communism because of starvation, it would be best to keep people who do not have much money. one of the questions that i wanted to ask is you're not giving any costs or payments. let's say, a mother or a child on food cards, how much per month do they get? according to my computer, they would not get enough to eat very well. host: thank you. guest: so, for a family of four, let's say, two adults, two children, the maximum benefit for a family of four would be $670 per month. it is in low-cost diet. that is why we likely see a lot of use of these programs along with other assistance. the caller is right that it is now the supplemental nutrition assistance program, but these are electronic benefit cards. host: as you deal with these issues, you also deal with obesity because often these families are eating less than healthy food or fast food. guest: that is true. it is complicating when you try to talk about them together. it is important that you remember that many of these food insecure households have a lower quality diets than we might hope, and in some